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Message #03992
To: "'beam@sgiblab.sgi.com'" beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
From: Wilf Rigter Wilf.Rigter@powertech.bc.ca
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 10:10:00 -0700
Subject: [alt-beam] Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
Dear Ed,
I respect you very much for speaking up and clearly stating your point. It
caused no problem and just gave me some new ideas on how to communicate
better.
best regards
Wilf Rigter mailto:wilf.rigter@powertech.bc.ca
tel: (604)590-7493
fax: (604)590-3411
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Jones Jr. [SMTP:sargon@gte.net]
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 1999 9:34 AM
> To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
> Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
>
> Dear Wilf ,
>
> Well put ! I didn't know about the farther/son relationship , when I see
> someone's name in the "from" line I assume I am replying to that person ,
> sorry if my reply caused a problem . I agree with everything you said & I
> didn't meam to imply that the list shouldn't thank MarkT and the many
> others who have helped this list evolve .
>
> Thanks for the reply ,
>
> Ed Jones
> sargon@gte.net
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Wilf Rigter
> > To: 'beam@sgiblab.sgi.com'
> > Subject: RE: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
> > Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 11:38 AM
> >
> > Hi Ed,
> >
> > Sorry for the mix up about the names. For the purpose of this group,
> SEAN
> > RIGTER and WILF RIGTER are one and the same person..
> >
> > I would be the last one to suggest that the group on the list are merely
> a
> > Tilden Fan club: Far from it!
> >
> > I believe this group is a vibrant growing culture where new
> ideas/creations
> > sprout up like mushrooms (thanks in part to the occasional agitation of
> the
> > biomorpic waste on the noise floor). And anyone who disagrees with that
> can
> > go and stand on their head (in it).
> >
> > So, at the risk of suffocation, I think we can agree on that part .
> >
> > The vast majority of this group have great respect and admiration for
> Mark
> > Tilden and his wonderful creations and that is why I recommend Mark to
> make
> > a regular visit on the list as a token of reciprocity. I know he is a
> busy
> > guy but just one "I'm ok, you're ok" email a month would restore some
> > balance for a start.
> >
> > So, I am willing to bet that 99% of the list (including yourself) are in
> > favor of that idea or I'll eat one of my circuits.
> >
> > enjoy
> >
> > Wilf Rigter mailto:wilf.rigter@powertech.bc.ca
> > tel: (604)590-7493
> > fax: (604)590-3411
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ed Jones Jr. [SMTP:sargon@gte.net]
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:20 PM
> > > To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
> > > Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
> > >
> > > Dear Sean ,
> > >
> > > Usually this list doesn't agree with what I have to say and I have a
> > > strong
> > > feeling this is going to be one of those times . Reading this reply
> and
> > > others regarding MarkT seems to imply that the collective " we " just
> > > can't
> > > make it without MarkT's assistance and "god-like " input to this list
> .
> I
> > > dissagree with this attitude and the limitations this puts on those of
> you
> > > that truly beleive this hype . Thats like saying that , god forbid ,
> if
> > > something happened to MarkT , car accident , heart problems , etc .,
> this
> > > list would come to a grinding halt !! I don't think so . If you read
> some
> > > of the earlier circuit books , these circuits have been around for
> some
> > > time . MarkT DID come up with new ideas about how to impliment ,
> refine
> ,
> > > and use these circuits in his particular area of research , namely ,
> in
> > > the
> > > beginning , solar powered bots . We now have , thankfully , others
> adding
> > > to this knoweledge base , Dave , Steven Bolt ,Wilf and many others . (
> I
> > > once asked Steven Bolt if he would adopt me , he has such neat ideas
> and
> > > an
> > > easy way of explaining some of my newbe questions ) You also remarked
> > > about
> > > not re-inventing the wheel ( been there , done that ) . Maybe you are
> > > right
> > > , but I have learned much going back and taking a fresh look at some
> of
> > > the
> > > "old" circuits , usually finding ways to upgrade or refine them . Its
> like
> > > re-reading an old book , I usually see something I missed the first
> time
> > > around . I think you give this list , and the people on it , to little
> > > credit . I , for one , will continue on at my work bench , with or
> without
> > > any of these "gods" you so fondly talk about .
> > >
> > > Ed Jones
> > > sargon@gte.net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Sean Rigter
> > > > To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
> > > > Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 9:50 PM
> > > >
> > > > Dear Jean,
> > > >
> > > > You are not alone!
> > > >
> > > > There have been a few instances when after spending time to
> > > > independently design, test and post Beam like circuits, I am
> reminded
> by
> > > > one of the inner circle that Mark's been there, done that ie. the
> XOR
> > > > design recently discussed here in the context of the BeamAnt. In
> some
> > > > respect the Beam genome project was an attempt to build up the
> > > > foundation of the known Beam universe to speed up future
> developments,
> > > > to promote learning but avoid wasteful spinning wheels caused by
> > > > re-inventing them over and over. There appears to be a significant
> > > > firewall to keep information on current Beam developments locked in.
>
>
> > > >
> > > > I was however somewhat prepared for this as I explained to Mark in
> my
> > > > first email to him (attached) back in Dec 98. In retrospect, some of
> my
> > > > early expectations have not been not realized. It is perhaps not for
> the
> > > > lack of the masters guiding hand as much as the vacuum that has
> taken
> > > > it's place. My own reaction has been to fill it with creative ideas,
> > > > circuits, background links, and philosophy. I enjoy the technical
> and
> > > > communication challenge of doing this and my reward is the
> appreciation
> > > > expressed by others. Despite my somewhat abrasive humour, I very
> much
> > > > respect the work of Mark and others too numerous to name. I closely
> > > > identify with and share the common goals and interests, creativity,
> > > > excitement, surprise, "sky is the limit" and if necessary, a healthy
> > > > dose of scepticism, of Beam ideas on this list providing useful
> tools
> > > > for any future endeavours.
> > > >
> > > > In some sense the Beam list, which is after all dedicated to the art
> and
> > > > technology of Mark Tilden (as we are often reminded), would seem to
> be
> > > > at times somewhat distorted and arrested in it's development. It's a
> > > > complicated matter obviously loaded with events from the past. I
> would
> > > > have liked to have been there for the long and interesting
> discussions
> > > > with early Mark Tilden.
> > > >
> > > > I would recommend that Mark makes a regular appearance on this list
> to
> > > > help us "interpret" his words of wisdom.
> > > >
> > > > So friend jab, no deadly silence from me, I hope you don't get
> flamed
> ,
> > > > and most of all I hope you don't get in trouble over this request to
> > > > clarify communication between Mark and his most ardent supporters in
> > > > this group.
> > > >
> > > > So here to fill a bit of the vacuum is an old (my first) email to
> markt.
> > > >
> > > > Dear Mark,
> > > >
> > > > I am delighted to hear from you and thank you for your note of
> > > > appreciation!
> > > >
> > > > I am quite excited about making some more contributions to BEAM
> > > > technology (and perhaps philosophy). Forgive me if I frequently
> cover
> > > > old ground as I am partially avoiding contact with prior literature.
> I
> > > > like to think it was Marshall McLuhan's suggestion of only reading
> every
> > > > other page to extrapolate or synthesize the missing information to
> > > > uncover new connections or at least show existing ideas from a new
> > > > perspective. In truth, I am a walking "solution looking for a
> problem"
> > > > by nature and I enjoy the moment when I can compare my ideas with
> those
> > > > of others (whether I get blown out of the water or not 8^).
> > > >
> > > > In contrast with taming uA leakage currents , I also apply my
> talents
> in
> > > > research and testing of electrical equipment under high power
> conditions
> > > > (ie 100,000A @ 10,000V for seconds). Talk about the scale invariance
> of
> > > > ideas! Speaking of which, how well does circuit modelling software
> > > > predict the behaviour of these circuits? Of course software
> simulations
> > > > are only metaphors for reality and as much as I enjoyed seeing the
> web
> > > > videos of photovores (from Greg Benford's Great Sky River I
> presume),
> I
> > > > was not prepared for the small and delicate thing I held in my hands
> > > > yesterday and immediately fell in love with. There is a quality
> about
> > > > objects on this scale reminiscent of "tribbles" that conjures up
> ideas
> > > > of self replication, and emergent behaviour without the
> > > > feeling of threat, unlike the common reaction to the same ideas at
> > > > macro and nano scales.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway thanks again and I will keep in touch!
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > >
> > > > wilf
> > > >
> > > > Mark W. Tilden wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > Speaking of feedback : is this information and/or format, useful
> to
> > > > > this group?
> > > > >
> > > > > Can't speak for others but I think it's very valuable, and the
> ascii
> > > artwork
> > > > > is appreciated especially.
> > > > >
> > > > > markt.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jean auBois wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > At 03:48 PM 5/28/99 , you wrote:
> > > > > >I bet you can't guess what I have. If you guessed that I have the
> > > > > >schematic for a Unicore BeamAnt you get the grand prize!
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact, this is one of my major BEAM sadnesses just now.
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