Alt-BEAM Archive
Message #03987
To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
From: "Ed Jones Jr." sargon@gte.net
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:34:02 -0400
Subject: [alt-beam] Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
Dear Wilf ,
Well put ! I didn't know about the farther/son relationship , when I see
someone's name in the "from" line I assume I am replying to that person ,
sorry if my reply caused a problem . I agree with everything you said & I
didn't meam to imply that the list shouldn't thank MarkT and the many
others who have helped this list evolve .
Thanks for the reply ,
Ed Jones
sargon@gte.net
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> From: Wilf Rigter
> To: 'beam@sgiblab.sgi.com'
> Subject: RE: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
> Date: Sunday, May 30, 1999 11:38 AM
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> Sorry for the mix up about the names. For the purpose of this group, SEAN
> RIGTER and WILF RIGTER are one and the same person..
>
> I would be the last one to suggest that the group on the list are merely
a
> Tilden Fan club: Far from it!
>
> I believe this group is a vibrant growing culture where new
ideas/creations
> sprout up like mushrooms (thanks in part to the occasional agitation of
the
> biomorpic waste on the noise floor). And anyone who disagrees with that
can
> go and stand on their head (in it).
>
> So, at the risk of suffocation, I think we can agree on that part .
>
> The vast majority of this group have great respect and admiration for
Mark
> Tilden and his wonderful creations and that is why I recommend Mark to
make
> a regular visit on the list as a token of reciprocity. I know he is a
busy
> guy but just one "I'm ok, you're ok" email a month would restore some
> balance for a start.
>
> So, I am willing to bet that 99% of the list (including yourself) are in
> favor of that idea or I'll eat one of my circuits.
>
> enjoy
>
> Wilf Rigter mailto:wilf.rigter@powertech.bc.ca
> tel: (604)590-7493
> fax: (604)590-3411
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ed Jones Jr. [SMTP:sargon@gte.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:20 PM
> > To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
> > Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
> >
> > Dear Sean ,
> >
> > Usually this list doesn't agree with what I have to say and I have a
> > strong
> > feeling this is going to be one of those times . Reading this reply and
> > others regarding MarkT seems to imply that the collective " we " just
> > can't
> > make it without MarkT's assistance and "god-like " input to this list .
I
> > dissagree with this attitude and the limitations this puts on those of
you
> > that truly beleive this hype . Thats like saying that , god forbid , if
> > something happened to MarkT , car accident , heart problems , etc .,
this
> > list would come to a grinding halt !! I don't think so . If you read
some
> > of the earlier circuit books , these circuits have been around for some
> > time . MarkT DID come up with new ideas about how to impliment , refine
,
> > and use these circuits in his particular area of research , namely , in
> > the
> > beginning , solar powered bots . We now have , thankfully , others
adding
> > to this knoweledge base , Dave , Steven Bolt ,Wilf and many others . (
I
> > once asked Steven Bolt if he would adopt me , he has such neat ideas
and
> > an
> > easy way of explaining some of my newbe questions ) You also remarked
> > about
> > not re-inventing the wheel ( been there , done that ) . Maybe you are
> > right
> > , but I have learned much going back and taking a fresh look at some of
> > the
> > "old" circuits , usually finding ways to upgrade or refine them . Its
like
> > re-reading an old book , I usually see something I missed the first
time
> > around . I think you give this list , and the people on it , to little
> > credit . I , for one , will continue on at my work bench , with or
without
> > any of these "gods" you so fondly talk about .
> >
> > Ed Jones
> > sargon@gte.net
> >
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Sean Rigter
> > > To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
> > > Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
> > > Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 9:50 PM
> > >
> > > Dear Jean,
> > >
> > > You are not alone!
> > >
> > > There have been a few instances when after spending time to
> > > independently design, test and post Beam like circuits, I am reminded
by
> > > one of the inner circle that Mark's been there, done that ie. the XOR
> > > design recently discussed here in the context of the BeamAnt. In some
> > > respect the Beam genome project was an attempt to build up the
> > > foundation of the known Beam universe to speed up future
developments,
> > > to promote learning but avoid wasteful spinning wheels caused by
> > > re-inventing them over and over. There appears to be a significant
> > > firewall to keep information on current Beam developments locked in.
> > >
> > > I was however somewhat prepared for this as I explained to Mark in my
> > > first email to him (attached) back in Dec 98. In retrospect, some of
my
> > > early expectations have not been not realized. It is perhaps not for
the
> > > lack of the masters guiding hand as much as the vacuum that has taken
> > > it's place. My own reaction has been to fill it with creative ideas,
> > > circuits, background links, and philosophy. I enjoy the technical and
> > > communication challenge of doing this and my reward is the
appreciation
> > > expressed by others. Despite my somewhat abrasive humour, I very much
> > > respect the work of Mark and others too numerous to name. I closely
> > > identify with and share the common goals and interests, creativity,
> > > excitement, surprise, "sky is the limit" and if necessary, a healthy
> > > dose of scepticism, of Beam ideas on this list providing useful tools
> > > for any future endeavours.
> > >
> > > In some sense the Beam list, which is after all dedicated to the art
and
> > > technology of Mark Tilden (as we are often reminded), would seem to
be
> > > at times somewhat distorted and arrested in it's development. It's a
> > > complicated matter obviously loaded with events from the past. I
would
> > > have liked to have been there for the long and interesting
discussions
> > > with early Mark Tilden.
> > >
> > > I would recommend that Mark makes a regular appearance on this list
to
> > > help us "interpret" his words of wisdom.
> > >
> > > So friend jab, no deadly silence from me, I hope you don't get flamed
,
> > > and most of all I hope you don't get in trouble over this request to
> > > clarify communication between Mark and his most ardent supporters in
> > > this group.
> > >
> > > So here to fill a bit of the vacuum is an old (my first) email to
markt.
> > >
> > > Dear Mark,
> > >
> > > I am delighted to hear from you and thank you for your note of
> > > appreciation!
> > >
> > > I am quite excited about making some more contributions to BEAM
> > > technology (and perhaps philosophy). Forgive me if I frequently cover
> > > old ground as I am partially avoiding contact with prior literature.
I
> > > like to think it was Marshall McLuhan's suggestion of only reading
every
> > > other page to extrapolate or synthesize the missing information to
> > > uncover new connections or at least show existing ideas from a new
> > > perspective. In truth, I am a walking "solution looking for a
problem"
> > > by nature and I enjoy the moment when I can compare my ideas with
those
> > > of others (whether I get blown out of the water or not 8^).
> > >
> > > In contrast with taming uA leakage currents , I also apply my talents
in
> > > research and testing of electrical equipment under high power
conditions
> > > (ie 100,000A @ 10,000V for seconds). Talk about the scale invariance
of
> > > ideas! Speaking of which, how well does circuit modelling software
> > > predict the behaviour of these circuits? Of course software
simulations
> > > are only metaphors for reality and as much as I enjoyed seeing the
web
> > > videos of photovores (from Greg Benford's Great Sky River I presume),
I
> > > was not prepared for the small and delicate thing I held in my hands
> > > yesterday and immediately fell in love with. There is a quality about
> > > objects on this scale reminiscent of "tribbles" that conjures up
ideas
> > > of self replication, and emergent behaviour without the
> > > feeling of threat, unlike the common reaction to the same ideas at
> > > macro and nano scales.
> > >
> > > Anyway thanks again and I will keep in touch!
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > wilf
> > >
> > > Mark W. Tilden wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Speaking of feedback : is this information and/or format, useful
to
> > > > this group?
> > > >
> > > > Can't speak for others but I think it's very valuable, and the
ascii
> > artwork
> > > > is appreciated especially.
> > > >
> > > > markt.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jean auBois wrote:
> > > >
> > > > At 03:48 PM 5/28/99 , you wrote:
> > > > >I bet you can't guess what I have. If you guessed that I have the
> > > > >schematic for a Unicore BeamAnt you get the grand prize!
> > > >
> > > > In fact, this is one of my major BEAM sadnesses just now.
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