Alt-BEAM Archive
Message #03986
To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
From: Dennison dennlill@buffnet.net
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 12:39:41 -0400
Subject: [alt-beam] Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
>
>So, at the risk of suffocation, I think we can agree on that part .
ok, I can deal with that. I didn't mean that this group was *only* a fan
club, I whole heartely agree there is plenty of innovation, while researving
my own feelings that we do somewhat linger behind Mark. However, I do see
your point, and I can agree.
>
>The vast majority of this group have great respect and admiration for Mark
>Tilden and his wonderful creations and that is why I recommend Mark to make
>a regular visit on the list as a token of reciprocity. I know he is a busy
>guy but just one "I'm ok, you're ok" email a month would restore some
>balance for a start.
>
Now that would be something that I think everyone would be appreciative of.
And I don't know why he doesn't do it. Someone perhaps might want to suggest
it, Perhaps Mark Dalton, as he runs the list.
Dennison
>So, I am willing to bet that 99% of the list (including yourself) are in
>favor of that idea or I'll eat one of my circuits.
>
>enjoy
>
>Wilf Rigter mailto:wilf.rigter@powertech.bc.ca
> tel: (604)590-7493
> fax: (604)590-3411
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ed Jones Jr. [SMTP:sargon@gte.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, May 29, 1999 8:20 PM
>> To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
>> Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
>>
>> Dear Sean ,
>>
>> Usually this list doesn't agree with what I have to say and I have a
>> strong
>> feeling this is going to be one of those times . Reading this reply and
>> others regarding MarkT seems to imply that the collective " we " just
>> can't
>> make it without MarkT's assistance and "god-like " input to this list . I
>> dissagree with this attitude and the limitations this puts on those of
you
>> that truly beleive this hype . Thats like saying that , god forbid , if
>> something happened to MarkT , car accident , heart problems , etc ., this
>> list would come to a grinding halt !! I don't think so . If you read
some
>> of the earlier circuit books , these circuits have been around for some
>> time . MarkT DID come up with new ideas about how to impliment , refine ,
>> and use these circuits in his particular area of research , namely , in
>> the
>> beginning , solar powered bots . We now have , thankfully , others adding
>> to this knoweledge base , Dave , Steven Bolt ,Wilf and many others . ( I
>> once asked Steven Bolt if he would adopt me , he has such neat ideas and
>> an
>> easy way of explaining some of my newbe questions ) You also remarked
>> about
>> not re-inventing the wheel ( been there , done that ) . Maybe you are
>> right
>> , but I have learned much going back and taking a fresh look at some of
>> the
>> "old" circuits , usually finding ways to upgrade or refine them . Its
like
>> re-reading an old book , I usually see something I missed the first time
>> around . I think you give this list , and the people on it , to little
>> credit . I , for one , will continue on at my work bench , with or
without
>> any of these "gods" you so fondly talk about .
>>
>> Ed Jones
>> sargon@gte.net
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> > From: Sean Rigter
>> > To: beam@sgiblab.sgi.com
>> > Subject: Re: Unicore BeamAnt schematic!
>> > Date: Saturday, May 29, 1999 9:50 PM
>> >
>> > Dear Jean,
>> >
>> > You are not alone!
>> >
>> > There have been a few instances when after spending time to
>> > independently design, test and post Beam like circuits, I am reminded
by
>> > one of the inner circle that Mark's been there, done that ie. the XOR
>> > design recently discussed here in the context of the BeamAnt. In some
>> > respect the Beam genome project was an attempt to build up the
>> > foundation of the known Beam universe to speed up future developments,
>> > to promote learning but avoid wasteful spinning wheels caused by
>> > re-inventing them over and over. There appears to be a significant
>> > firewall to keep information on current Beam developments locked in.
>> >
>> > I was however somewhat prepared for this as I explained to Mark in my
>> > first email to him (attached) back in Dec 98. In retrospect, some of my
>> > early expectations have not been not realized. It is perhaps not for
the
>> > lack of the masters guiding hand as much as the vacuum that has taken
>> > it's place. My own reaction has been to fill it with creative ideas,
>> > circuits, background links, and philosophy. I enjoy the technical and
>> > communication challenge of doing this and my reward is the appreciation
>> > expressed by others. Despite my somewhat abrasive humour, I very much
>> > respect the work of Mark and others too numerous to name. I closely
>> > identify with and share the common goals and interests, creativity,
>> > excitement, surprise, "sky is the limit" and if necessary, a healthy
>> > dose of scepticism, of Beam ideas on this list providing useful tools
>> > for any future endeavours.
>> >
>> > In some sense the Beam list, which is after all dedicated to the art
and
>> > technology of Mark Tilden (as we are often reminded), would seem to be
>> > at times somewhat distorted and arrested in it's development. It's a
>> > complicated matter obviously loaded with events from the past. I would
>> > have liked to have been there for the long and interesting discussions
>> > with early Mark Tilden.
>> >
>> > I would recommend that Mark makes a regular appearance on this list to
>> > help us "interpret" his words of wisdom.
>> >
>> > So friend jab, no deadly silence from me, I hope you don't get flamed ,
>> > and most of all I hope you don't get in trouble over this request to
>> > clarify communication between Mark and his most ardent supporters in
>> > this group.
>> >
>> > So here to fill a bit of the vacuum is an old (my first) email to
markt.
>> >
>> > Dear Mark,
>> >
>> > I am delighted to hear from you and thank you for your note of
>> > appreciation!
>> >
>> > I am quite excited about making some more contributions to BEAM
>> > technology (and perhaps philosophy). Forgive me if I frequently cover
>> > old ground as I am partially avoiding contact with prior literature. I
>> > like to think it was Marshall McLuhan's suggestion of only reading
every
>> > other page to extrapolate or synthesize the missing information to
>> > uncover new connections or at least show existing ideas from a new
>> > perspective. In truth, I am a walking "solution looking for a problem"
>> > by nature and I enjoy the moment when I can compare my ideas with those
>> > of others (whether I get blown out of the water or not 8^).
>> >
>> > In contrast with taming uA leakage currents , I also apply my talents
in
>> > research and testing of electrical equipment under high power
conditions
>> > (ie 100,000A @ 10,000V for seconds). Talk about the scale invariance of
>> > ideas! Speaking of which, how well does circuit modelling software
>> > predict the behaviour of these circuits? Of course software simulations
>> > are only metaphors for reality and as much as I enjoyed seeing the web
>> > videos of photovores (from Greg Benford's Great Sky River I presume), I
>> > was not prepared for the small and delicate thing I held in my hands
>> > yesterday and immediately fell in love with. There is a quality about
>> > objects on this scale reminiscent of "tribbles" that conjures up ideas
>> > of self replication, and emergent behaviour without the
>> > feeling of threat, unlike the common reaction to the same ideas at
>> > macro and nano scales.
>> >
>> > Anyway thanks again and I will keep in touch!
>> >
>> > regards
>> >
>> > wilf
>> >
>> > Mark W. Tilden wrote:
>> >
>> > > > Speaking of feedback : is this information and/or format, useful to
>> > > this group?
>> > >
>> > > Can't speak for others but I think it's very valuable, and the ascii
>> artwork
>> > > is appreciated especially.
>> > >
>> > > markt.
>> >
>> >
>> > Jean auBois wrote:
>> > >
>> > > At 03:48 PM 5/28/99 , you wrote:
>> > > >I bet you can't guess what I have. If you guessed that I have the
>> > > >schematic for a Unicore BeamAnt you get the grand prize!
>> > >
>> > > In fact, this is one of my major BEAM sadnesses just now.
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