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Message #03732



To: alt-beam@eGroups.com
From: botbotfooey@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 01:28:12 -0000
Subject: [alt-beam] Re: In answer to Dave


Jim Vernon spouted, ad nauseum,

> I will jump in here one more time, even though I said I would not.

Surprise, surprise.

> There is no market pressure on you at all. As far as building a
> business while doing something else, I did it for 10 years. But, I had to. I
> had competition in the market I was trying to break into. I had no choice. I
> had to match the pricing and quality of the market from the get go. After
> slowly building a customer base, I ventured into full time. I could never
> have done it if I based my pricing on my needs, I had to consider the market,
> the customer, and the demand. All dictated by the market, not me. If I had
> said, Yeah, I need 50 bucks a piece for that T-shirt order because I got a
> family to feed, I would be dead at the starting gate. I really don't know how
> I can make this plainer, these are common, accepted business and accounting
> techniques used the world over, and they work. They only fail when the market
> comprises a monopoly, or the customer base is loyal beyond their own
> interests. And to be honest, I never ran into that until now.

Dave seems to be doing pretty well, except of course for the fact that you won't shut the hell up about how he is doing.

> That's called a market Dave. That fear of going under because of competition
> is what drives it. It's what makes the product eventually viable enough to
> spread and grow. It's how it's done.

I have an idea: start a business. Run Solarbotics into the ground. As you say, competition is the key. But, right now there is no competition. So rather than saying "if there was competition, you couldn't do this to us", why don't you create competition, bring the prices down, be hailed as the one who finally brought some sense into the great scheme of things?

> No, actually, you could be more supportive of new ideas. The Genome Project
> was a joke, and got me slammed for bringing it up. Only after a note from
> Mark T. supporting it did it get ANY serious consideration. Nope, no biases
> here.



So, the basic idea here seems to be that if people do something Vernon doesn't like, they are wrong. Actually, it is even stronger than that: you must take a proactive position in Vernon's defense, or you are wrong. Would everyone please start giving him the discounts, support, and recognition he deserves so we can move on to something else?

> > >And this bias filters down to the BEAM community as
> > >CPU's suck. Don't even look at them.
> >
> > I think _that_ has been more of a BEAM myth than anything else.

> Ludicrous! Ask Bob Shannon about that one. Re read the inferences in Tilden's
> writings. Listen to what he's saying on those TV specials, and compare it to
> the attitudes on the list. A myth, right.

??? Did I miss something??? Let's see... Tilden says BEAM is for creating reliable bodies on which we can put brains, CPU or otherwise... Terry Newton builds CPU bots with BEAM characteristics, I myself modify the behavior of a microcore with a 68HC11. Flag waving is for people who can't think for themselves.

> This is serious Dave. BEAM should be much more than sitting at the bench. If
> it can''t survive a few negative comments, or even a few new positive ones,
> it's doomed anyway.

That is a real piece of work, wonderful rhetoric. Vernon makes it sound like he is the good guy here, on everyones side, only doing what he is doing to promote the best interests of others. Why is it that the ones who only spout 'a few negative comments' are the ones most adamant about convincing others that putting up with negative comments builds character? Perhaps it is a pathetic attempt to justify their behavior, after all it is easier than having an actual personality.

Jim, I dare you to *try* to stop being a whining little bitch.



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