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To: "BEAM Mail" beam@corp.sgi.com
From: "Nigel Joyce" nigel.joyce@qr.com.au
Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 12:04:37 +1000
Subject: [alt-beam] Re: Multiple Inputs for Nv neurons



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OK this is going to be hard to explain but bear with me. I think that rob =
is on the right path, concider the multitude of loops in a brain, I think t=
hat the interconnection between each loop could depend upon outside influen=
ces such as nerve endings. Like the different parts of the brain controlli=
ng different parts of the body and reacting to the inputs from those parts,=
lets assume (big, big, huge assumption) that in the brain, 1 Nv loop is a=
ttached to 1 nerve ending on the tip of a finger, you touch something, the =
nerve ending acts like a PNC and starts the loop, the output from the loop/=
chain goes somewhere else and tells another loop/chain something eg. the lo=
op attached to a finger muscle telling it to stop the finger moving forward=
. Now all we have to do is take the same approach and use 1 loop/chain per=
output/feedback and have the feedback act as a PNC to other loops. Do you=
get what I mean?? It makes sense in my head.

Not bad huh, I have been into beam for a month and made the breakthrough be=
tween real life and Alife {;-)

Save a copy of this e-mail, as it will make me famous, ohHoHohahaha (meant =
to be a mad scientist laugh)

Either that or I am just starting to understand what Tilden is on about. {=
;-)

Cya later

Blue Skies
---Buzz---

I didn't just kiss death, I slipped it the tongue! =


nigel.joyce@usa.net


>Also, they need a form of regenerative feedback, or all the processes simp=
ly end. The loop does that. The thing >that you may miss in a web like Nv, =
is that there are many, multiple loops made up by all the webs. You >couldn=
't begin to count the massive loops in the human brain!!! That's quite the =
daunting task to do in even an >earth work or cockroach even! Loops seem to=
be the best Central Pattern Generator,a nd they can branch off >into chain=
s, rejoin, form other loops and do countless amazing things. Unfortunately,=
BEAM is in it's infancy, >and neural network based robots are well less th=
an 100 years old (despite the fact that the neural net was >essentialy one =
of the first "control" devices, created by nature itself!). Neural nets hav=
e had a while to develop, >and we are only trying to begin to catch up! =



Richard Piotter wrote: =

A web... Try looking at the interconnections in lobster. Even thoug=
h there are two loops, they are attached in a "webby" layout, and that alon=
e is cool (even if Mark T himself said Lobster realy was a disapointment pe=
rformance wise). I don't necesarily use loops. MECI IV M and Spyder both us=
e chains of Nvs. I have a lot of other ideas, but have not actualy done any=
thing. Spyder is my curent project. I'll be working on MECI IV M next, and =
then maybe throw some turbot and head action into the mix! :) =

George Rix wrote: =


=




2) Why are microcores always connected in a loop, instead of in, =
say, a web of sorts, with plenty of interconnections? =

Signing off, =

Rob Rix 'If anything can possibly go wrong, it probably already=
has'-Murphy's law =

=

-- =





Richard Piotter =

richfil-@rconnect.com =



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http://richfiles.calc.org =



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>

loop/chain per output/feedback and have the feedback act as a PNC to other =

loops.  Do you get what I mean??  It makes sense in my head.

Not bad huh, I have been into beam for a month and made the breakthrough=
=

between real life and Alife {;-)

Save a copy of this e-mail, as it will make me famous, ohHoHohahaha (mea=
nt to =

be a mad scientist laugh)

Either that or I am just starting to understand what Tilden is on =

about.  {;-)

Cya later

Blue Skies
---Buzz---

 

I didn't just kiss death, I slipped it the tongue! =


 


href=3D"mailto:nigel.joyce@usa.net">nigel.joyce@usa.net

 

>Also, they need a form of regenerative feedback, or all the processe=
s =

simply end. The loop does that. The thing >that you may miss in a web li=
ke =

Nv, is that there are many, multiple loops made up by all the webs. You =

>couldn't begin to count the massive loops in the human brain!!! That's =
quite =

the daunting task to do in even an >earth work or cockroach even! Loops =
seem =

to be the best Central Pattern Generator,a nd they can branch off >into =

chains, rejoin, form other loops and do countless amazing things. Unfortuna=
tely, =

BEAM is in it's infancy, >and neural network based robots are well less =
than =

100 years old (despite the fact that the neural net was >essentialy one =
of =

the first "control" devices, created by nature itself!). Neural nets have h=
ad a =

while to develop, >and we are only trying to begin to catch up! =


Richard Piotter wrote:





  A web... Try looking at the interconnections in =

lobster. Even though there are two loops, they are attached in a "web=
by" =

layout, and that alone is cool (even if Mark T himself said Lobster r=
ealy =

was a disapointment performance wise). I don't necesarily use loops. =
MECI =

IV M and Spyder both use chains of Nvs. I have a lot of other ideas, =
but =

have not actualy done anything. Spyder is my curent project. I'll be =

working on MECI IV M next, and then maybe throw some turbot and head =

action into the mix! :) =

George Rix wrote:








 




E>-- =

  2) Why are microcores always connected in a=
=

loop, instead of in, say, a web of sorts, with plenty of =

interconnections? =

Signing off,
Rob Rix 'If anything can possibly go wrong,=
it =

probably already has'-Murphy's law




Richard Piotter

href=3D"
http://www.egroups.com/person?protectID=3D1941762191220211321380382=
03148062063000026057218043130252055210">richfil-@rconnect.com =



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href=3D"
http://richfiles.calc.org/" target=3D_top>http://richfiles.calc.org=
=


For the BEAM Robotics list:
BEAM Robotics Tek FAQ
href=3D"
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/bushbo/beam/FAQ.html" =

target=3D_top>http://people.ne.mediaone.net/bushbo/beam/FAQ.html =


 






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